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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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(Why) Do we Need Managers?
Why do we need managers? They are a layer of cost and add no real value, so why do we have them? Most specialists left their field to be managers and usually hate it and perform at lower levels than in their previous roles.
What if we reduced managers to stewards and facilitators and paid them like other specialists - would this help?
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MARTIN
Turnaround Manager, Kenya
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Managers are Needed
I read your comment on managers with a lot of consternation. The truth is that we need managers who also double up as leaders in their roles. The essence is that managers help units pull in one direction using the corresponding communication channels. Managers also enhance the spirit of responsibility and shorten the required time in delivery.
Take the situation in Africa for instance. We have plenty of resources, but we lack prudent managers in the name of leaders. Hence the continued under utilisation and proliferation of poverty.
A case in point is Nigeria with massive oil resources, but not fully utilised to create capital and avert biting poverty.
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Niranjan Chatterjee, India
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Why We Need Managers
Managers are not there to get involved hands-on in the processes of an organization.
They are there to coordinate and lead without which any organization is bound to flounder, no matter how efficient...
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Deepesh Kaveeshwar
Manager, India
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Why do we Need Managers??
Manager are role models.
They can lead as well as manage the task with the help of growing trends in management education. Now especially in India we have people as a manager who have both a commerc...
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Why do we Need Managers
I think you need to read the whole statement - specialist are needed and we need those that can lead, but they need not be managers, managers need to be stewards to facilitate and guide the specialist...
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gloria edem kuetsinyah
Ghana
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Why do we Need Managers?
We need managers so that organizations can meet it goals and objectives. Without a leader a team cannot be productive enough....
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Nitin Thakur
Manager, United Kingdom
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Why do we Need Managers
@Santiago:
Your raise a very valid point, something as someone who moved from an engineering (specialist as you call it) background to management, I had the same question time and time again.
I also...
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Margaret Kilonzo
Manager, Kenya
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Why Managers are Needed
We need managers to give direction if people are not led there would be total chaos.
Imagine everyone doing want they want or think is right. It would be like children playing on their own without a ...
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MARTIN
Turnaround Manager, Kenya
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Specialists versus Managers
@Nitin Thakur: I note your perspective in regard to specialists and managers, you will note that in the pyramid for managers there are three levels of work categories (operational, tactical, strategic...
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Olumide Oni
Manager, Nigeria
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Of Course we Need Managers
We cannot underestimate the importance and role of managers in organisational processes. They are no doubt an expensive layer, however, they are also a very cost-effective and money-saving layer, espe...
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Tengue Felix, Ghana
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We Need Managers
@Olumide Oni : Sister, you are right, without managers organizational goals and objectives would not be realised, they lay down strategies to ensure that organisation meet their targets....
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Yes do we Need Managers... and Specialists
Well we do need leaders and someone or a team who sees the big picture, who has the broad perspective, to allow specialists to do great work.
Managers and leaders are of course needed, but they must ...
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Phillip Baka
Student (MBA), South Africa
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Fayols Management Roles
Yes as Fayol said we need managers to plan, organise, command, coordinate and control the organisation. ...
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pinar Basaran
Turkey
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Why do we Need Managers?
I agree that we need managers in order to plan, organise, coordinate and control the organisation but I think "command" has become a wrong word in modern society......
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Amar Deep Seetohul
Manager, Mauritius
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Should we Reduce the Role of Managers?
@Martin: We need managers to fulfil the pivotal role required in any organisation. Their linking (coordination) between the top management and the operational level is crucial. They should be above th...
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pinar Basaran
Turkey
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Reduce Hierarchy - Not the Role of Managers
We should reduce hierarchy instead of reducing the role of managers....
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Ajay Nagariya
India
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We Need Leader as Manager... not Just a Manager
We need managers who can lead a team by example, assist team members to grow their individual contribution, and work as catalyst to increase team efficiency and throughput.
I'm sure in any organizati...
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Reducing Hierarchy
@Pinar Basaran : That is so true and with that the non value adding bureaucracy which reduces initiative and creativity in most organisations.
Of course when you take out layers of hierarchy you also...
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Daniel Griffith
Teacher, United States
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(Why) Do we Need Managers?
I think there needs to be an understanding on this issue that there is a difference between leaders and managers. A leader, to me, is a specialist within his/her career field that steps up and takes c...
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Why do we Need Managers
@Daniel Griffith: I like what you added, and yes in my mind the leader is from the team and may step down after a project, or even after an event. The manager is there to help the team deliver, facili...
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Dali Horeshka
Business Consultant, Albania
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Manager Have a Brokering and Facilitating Role
@Daniel Griffith: You are right. That is the role of managers: brokering and facilitating. While the role of managers contains difficulty, that of leaders contains risk concerning objectives to be ach...
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David Wilson
Manager, Canada
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Leaders and Managers
I am not sure we should be separating the role of leaders and managers. In one organization where I worked we asked all managers to be leaders. It seemed to work better than trying to create managers ...
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Leaders or Managers?
David, you are of course right, leaders are not separate from managers they have overlapping roles, and this should be recalled in our governance model when we want to handle conflicts especially on r...
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Monteiro
Consultant, Portugal
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Why we Need Managers... Who else would Manage Otherwise?!
One reason: they are the one's who achieve goals, retain costumers and employees.
As for managers or leaders, you can be one and not the other, or be both at the same time. Effective managers are lea...
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Jorge Garrido, Mexico
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When Managers are not Needed
Managers are not needed if you work in a high culture organization, where everybody has the right training and the goals are clear. You can reduce a lot of management layers if the top manager has emp...
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Divyani bhansali, India
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It Depends on Employees
If everyone can manage themselves properly, then there would be a low need for managers. If really the employees need supervisions and guidance, then more managers are needed...
Editor: Yes, compar...
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Biju T A
Professor, India
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Oh Yes. We Need Managers!!!!
Have you ever noticed the difference between laser and ordinary light? The laser is well arranged with synchronised movements of photons and this structure gives it the strength to cut through the har...
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Egessa
Accountant, Uganda
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When we Still Need Managers
To win in the a new world, organisations need inspirational leaders, not just managers. With the growth of technology in each and every processes of production to service delivery there is greater nee...
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Managers versus Leaders do we Need Them
Think about the manager as the facilitator, the steward who makes the details work, (s)he looks after the daily stuff people need.
While leaders inspire, create a vision and define the values that ta...
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Biju T A
Professor, India
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Difference between Managers and Leaders is Outdated
@Santiago: it is matter of what we believe and what we are... The managers are leaders and please don’t find any difference in this, because the 1960s theories of management have died out and we have ...
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Monteiro
Consultant, Portugal
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Outdated Arguments?!
Hi everyone, in fact, managers should be leaders, but they may be not...
As said before, a leader is someone who has followers, and there are many managers that aren't followed by anyone. People may...
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David Wilson
Manager, Canada
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Leaders and Managers - There is no Difference!
@Biju T A: thank you. I agree that a leader needs to be a manager and a manager needs to be a leader. Many innovative organizations are developing leaders at all levels, leaders who also need to be ma...
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Elisha Simon
HR Consultant, Nigeria
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Why we Need Managers
@Santiago: in answering this question, we need to know what a manager is. A manager, simply put, is a person who - in some way - coordinates and directs the action of others.
So it is not out of pla...
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Jorge Garrido, Mexico
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Do we Need Managers?
Leaders are normally needed, but if you train your organization like a real team you can make it work as an independent, autonomous team, where people in the lowest levels can take decision.
Managers...
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Edna Rotich
Kenya
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Why do we Need Managers
A story is being told of two rowing teams:
- Team A had one manager and six rowers
- Team B, had six managers and one rower.
Obviously team A won. Manager's should be there, but not to micro manage...
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Tebogo Lebodi, South Africa
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How do we Combine the Qualities of both the Specialists and the Managers?
@Santiago: I agree we see most specialists undervalued to a point where they have to opt for management positions in order to achieve some level of recognition.
However in other cases, some specialis...
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santiago
HR Consultant, Angola
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Specialist versus Managers
@Tebogo Lebodi: great questions Tebogo.
1. We need to train managers to be stewards and facilitators and understand that they do not have the power (remember managers evolved from bureaucracies and h...
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Elarbi oussama, Belgium
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Managers May Cost too Much Comparing Their Productivity
I totaly agree. Thank you.
Just look at the gap of the salary between a manager in a company and the simple employee. Now compare their productivity.. It often is not proportional!...
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Monteiro
Consultant, Portugal
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Specialists, Leaders and Managers - what a Mess
Hi Everyone, this discussion turned into a "mess". We started discussing "no need for managers" and it should have stopped there. Managers are needed, and managers, specialists and leaders are differe...
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halima Sheikh, Kenya
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Why we Need Managers
@Santiago: We need managers in an organization because employees need some direction, organizing and a basic sense of command and/or authority. But on the other hand it is absurd when people who are s...
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irawan sugito
HR Consultant, Indonesia
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Why do we Need Managers
What we need today is leaders, not managers. Too many managers did not do their roles e.g. managing, developing, evaluating people and their contributions, while leaders are expected to lead, provide ...
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vasumathi
Management Consultant, Zambia
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Why do we Need Managers
All managers are not leaders, you can't teach leadership, it's something an individual should possess. We need sensible managers who have the capability to mentor their team with commitment and empath...
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Amar Deep Seetohul
Manager, Mauritius
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Principles of Management - Fayol
A manager should lead in a way that the people led do not even notice they are being led... He should form part of the team both officially and on a personal basis... He should know his staff's psycho...
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Popovic Zeljko, Slovenia
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Why do we Need Managers
There is a difference between a ''real'' manager and the leader. The question is reasonable, if we have both of them in company but we can not recognize who is who. In this case we are paying at least...
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Molokanova
Professor, Ukraine
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No Organizations that do not Need Management
I thought about the topic: "Are there any organizations that do NOT need management?"
Well, I think there are no such organizations. Although any organization has its own FORM (way) of management and...
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Tendekai Dzinamarira
Manager, Zimbabwe
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Companies Without Management
@Molokanova: There are myths surrounding organizations without management. It's a good idea if we explore a bit into these myths citing examples if there are any. A book written by Frederic Laloux cal...
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Mrs. Sayran Ghafuri
Coach, Iraq
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The Role of Managers Cannot be Ignored
Managers cannot be dispensed with, but competent managers must be selected. And when you find a large number of managers in an organization without justification, it is better to reduce their numbers....
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Suresh P Raghupathy
Director, India
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Need a Manager?
Just imagine an hour at 9AM without a traffic management system nor a traffic junction police.That horrible will be the situation for any project or program without a parent called "Manager"...
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Jaap de Jonge
Editor, Netherlands
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Managers are Needed More than Ever But they Need to Adapt
The required role of managers has changed a lot over the last 3 decades, due to process reengineering, digitization, the agile movement and the pandemic/flexible work among other things. No wonder tha...
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